Great blog, Goldi. Abunai is rrrr... abunai is rrrrr. Anything you need a license for is a priviledge. Seems the only rights we have are to bow down and obey or go to jail.

This is really an easy one....

Anything that requires you to have a License is a privlege.

Actually meb452m, did you know that you can actually get a valid driver's license even if you ARE CONSIDERED LEGALLY BLIND!!! It's true, I actually had a friend years ago, don't know if he is still around Florida now. but his drivers license actually stated he was LEGALLY BLIND, yet he had a driver license. I, myself am also legally blind in one eye and so the only restrictions I have when driving a motor vehicle is it must have outside mirrors on BOTH sides of the vehicle (actually states RIGHT/PASSENGER OUTSIDE MIRROR REQUIRED), even though I have sight in the "blind eye", this due to a retina detachment, then re-attachment surgery that did not take properly. The vision in the one eye is skewed, sort of like looking at yourself in one of those fun house mirrors that distorts your image. Now I can't get a CDL license, even though I have no problems driving a large truck like a semi, but the sight restriction on this must be 100% correctable to 20/20 with correcting lenses or contacts, unfortunately mine isn't. Neither can I work in the career field I had been in for over 30+ years, electronic assembly because the components/parts are so dang small today I can not focus in on them. So it's a handicap to me, but NOT to Social Security, I must be legally blind in both eyes for this to be considered a disability, YET this very limitation DISABLES me from getting a job! makes you wonder about how some folks can get disability on some things and not others doesn't it? Makes me mad as hell because I can't get work because of that or because I don't speak Spanish.

So I can't even get a "driving job" because of this limitation as well.

So, right there shows why driving IS NOT A RIGHT, but a "Priveledge", because if it was truly a right, I, nor anyone else driving big rigs or commercial vehicles would even need any type of driver license, insurance or anything else associated with operating a motor vehicle of "any kind!"

Well I guess no matter what I just can't keep quiet as there are many blogs since these posts I've commented on. LOL Tatto, I really think I actually agree with you more than I disagree. ;)

See ya around the blogs.

Glad to hear it Native. While we may not always agree, I know I can always trust you to make your argument with intelligence, conviction and repsect.

Thank you.

Tattoo GYpsy

Native Floridian2, I agree with your assessment of the smoking ban and "appreciated" the comparison with the topic of driving.

Native_Floridian, I truly hope you do not end up leaving. As I really enjoy the difference of our opinions and being able to discuss those opinions, and even agreeing to disagree, politely.

The great thing about this country is that we all can have differences of opinion. And yet still agree on one very basic principle; that as Free Americans, we ARE entitled to certain inalienable rights.

Rights which, whether we agree with or not, most here I believe will agree that the government has been slowly stripping away from us over the years. And the way it looks, will continue to do so at an even faster rate now.

If you do decide to leave us, be well my friend.

Semper Fi
Tattoo Gypsy

Native Floridian2 how are you? I have to say Native makes some valid points here and working in law, I say you are absolutely correct = get caught violating a ban of NO smoking sign ..and you will end up locked up and/or cited no ifs and butts (lol) about that. Tattoo, I am not a great religious person either, in fact sometimes I find myself confused because I did studied Judaism but I was raised Catholic. About the only thing I believe now is in Jesus and God almighty. I have been tested and things have come to pass in such a way for me that I am truly blessed. However, I think you misunderstood the book National Law doesn't indicate God wanting its people killed for worshiping on the Sabath..its our government that will make it so difficult and try to enforce SUNDAY as the National Day of Worship. You really need to read this tiny book - it has certainly opened my mind to different scenario referencing the Bible. The Old Testament with the New. As to your topic, I still say driving is a NECESSITY to wish not many have the rights because of either age, past driving records and/or illegal. Great post.

Sorry, but no matter, I have to diagree with this assesment, GETTING A DRIVERS LICENSE IS A PRIVELEDGE and IS NOT A RIGHT! And NOT having one is asking for trouble. So if what you say is true, then we also SHOULD NOT be paying for license plates for the vehicles either. No tags, no driver license meaning ANYONE of ANY AGE CAN DRIVE A VEHICLE. Now really, just how STUPID COULD ONE BE? That would mean any child of any age, even a toddler not even old enough to crawl would have the "right" to drive. I THINK NOT! Too many damn lawyers have tried and tried to corrupt this and it appears they are doing a good job of it. So if this IS A RIGHT (which I seriously doubt and do not believe it to be), then anyone should be allowed to drive at any age, doing whateve they want and receive NO REPURCUSSION for their actions. This means driving drunk, driving under the influence of drugs (illegal or legal), driving as fast or as slow as you want IN ANY LANE because if this is a RIGHT, then IT WOULD BE MY RIGHT TO DRIVE IN ANY MANNER I SEE FIT. So can you see just how ridiculous this is to say that DRIVING IS EVERYONE'S RIGHT, this IS WHY IT IS A "PRIVILEDGE" and NOT A RIGHT!

Despite what the arrogant and idiotic lawyers may say to the contrary!

Greetings HisTalitha and faithphillippe.
If you would like to believe driving SHOULD be a privilege, that is certainly your prerogative.

Listen, no one knows better than me that certain people should NOT be driving, period. In 1979 I lost my son to a drunk driver. 3 years later, I lost his mother to another drunk driver. And in 1996 I was rear-ended by a drunk driver, breaking my back.

I have also logged over 500,000 SAFE miles driving a semi-truck. So I have seen and experienced the idiots on the road.

NONE of that is actually the point of all of this.

The actual point being, is a matter of the federal and state governments overstepping their respective authorities. Both in the past, the present, and as it looks now, well in the foreseeable future.

The very second we allow the government to exceed it's authority, the very second we allow the government to transform what was a RIGHT into a governmental privilege, and the very second the general population allows the transforming of a right into a privilege, there will be no stopping of the government until we no longer have ANY rights whatsoever.

Because once we allow (which has already happened, too many times to count) the government to change any right into a privilege, the government then has set what is called a precedent.

The government then takes that one precedent, and uses it to change even more of rights into privileges. As they have done, time and time again.

Numerous courts have held (see the original post) that driving is a RIGHT. But the government has made it into a privilege. And has convinced almost everyone, it has always been a 'privilege'. This in turn allows the government to work on changing any other RIGHT they do not want us to have, into a governmental privilege.

Our Rights = Liberty & Freedom.

Governmental Privilege = Slavery.

And as Doctor Benjamin Franklin in once pointed out so well: "They that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".

And as for myself, I believe in the way Thomas Jefferson once put it so eloquently: "I prefer dangerous freedom to peaceful slavery. "

Semper Fi
Tattoo Gypsy
http://tattoo-gypsy.blogspot.com

Driving is a privilege. No one has the right to drive under the influence and endanger anothers life. Is it a right to get on the road and perhaps kill someone? How would that be a right? I guess it is up to voters who should be driving. A vehicle can be a lethal weapon. If you do not use that vehicle in a safe manner why endanger the rest? I have a safe driver history for exactly that premise.

My Apologies Motorman.

One of the points here, which I think you might be missing, is that I do not disagree that the Fed and States has made driving a privilege which can be yanked away. So yes, you are correct, driving is NOW a privilege granted by the government.

However, what I claim is based on facts, laid out between various case law, judges legal rulings, and even Supreme Court rulings. Driving WAS and SHOULD STILL BE, a RIGHT.

None of this is to say that as it stands currently, someone's drivers license can't be taken away.

What it says, is overall it shows a pattern if you will, of the federal and state governments overstepping their respective authorities, and turning what was a bona fide RIGHT, into a privilege granted by the government.

I am NOT claiming that one can go out there nowadays and drive without a drivers license. (Although there are way to many cagers who do have a drivers license who shouldn't be driving anyway)

What I claim, is simply the government, near as I can tell around 1930 or so, overstepped their legal constitutional authority and turned what WAS a RIGHT and changed it into a privilege that was granted by, and could be removed by the government.

And to use that illegal change to illustrate the point that if We The People are not careful, soon we will find ALL of our RIGHTS have been unconstitutionally turned into PRIVILEGES being granted to us by the government.

Or to say it much simpler; What once was, is no longer, at the illegal whim of our government.

No more, no less.

No I do not advocate total anarchy.

I do however advocate that We The People choose to fight to retain, and if need be, even regain, every single possible RIGHT that was ever ours to begin with. Every right that the constitution states is NOT within the scope of the federal, or even the state government.

Or do we just allow a government to impose its will at its leisure like it has done in not only this issue, but also many other issues.

I guess to keep it simple, I should have named the posting, "Is Driving A Right Or Privilege? IT WAS A RIGHT!! THAT THE DAMNED GOVERNMENT ILLEGALLY TOOK AWAY. HOW LONG BEFORE THAT SAME GOVERNMENT TAKES AWAY THE REST OF OUR RIGHTS"

But something tells me that would have been too long for a 'title', LOL.

Semper Fi
Tattoo Gypsy

Candy, As I had mentioned in a previous blog, over 60 years ago a socialist talked about how America would never accept socialism. Unless the socialists were to simply go after it in small tiny little bites that most Americans never realized was happening. Then before you knew it we would be a socialist country.

A socialist country, where the RIGHTS that are guaranteed to us (not given by, but are guaranteed) by the Constitution, are no longer our RIGHTS, but become privileges granted to us from the government.

The drivers license issue is simply one more area where the government, state and federal, has over extended its authority and usurped the RIGHTS of the people.

In doing so, it has managed to convince otherwise intelligent American Citizens, that their rights are not rights at all, because by the will of the government, without the permission of the people, those rights were transformed into privileges granted by that government.

It's one of the reasons you very seldom hear anyone in the Federal Government, or even the State Governments, talking about the 10th Amendment.

The 10th Amendment makes explicit the idea that the federal government is limited only to the powers granted in the Constitution. The rest of the powers are retained by the states, and by the people. In essence, the Constitution does not grant the United States any power that it does not expressly mention in the Constitution itself.

The states meanwhile, do have more power than the feds. However, just as the Feds do not have the power, the states also do not have the power to turn a RIGHT into a privilege. A RIGHT is supposed to be ALWAYS retained by the people. Period.

Problem is, both the states and the feds have overstepped their respective authorities. They have either individually and-or collectively, worked at turning Our Rights into Government granted Privileges.

And that my friends, is complete and utter Bull***T.

And we have no one to blame but ourselves.

And I didn't say that, Plato did, around 400 B.C. when he said "THE PRICE GOOD MEN PAY FOR INDIFFERENCE TO PUBLIC AFFAIRS IS TO BE RULED BY EVIL MEN."

Too many Americans stood by for too long and allowed the government to do it's own will, instead of the will of We The People.

Semper Fi
Tattoo Gypsy
http://tattoo-gypsy.blogspot.com

motorman, "TRUTH" is not always what the government 'claims' is 'TRUTH".

If truth was only to be determined by what the government decided was truth, we would all be in a crap load of trouble. It's one of the reasons the state courts, the federal courts and the Supreme Court was established. So that the government did not have the complete authority to determine exactly WHAT was truth and what was NOT truth.

How many times has a court overturned a 'law' because some state of fed government might say it was true, but the courts said NOPE.

Just a couple 'small' examples; like when most states in the south still had segregated schools. And in many places in the south, it was illegal for whites and 'coloreds' to even marry. In most states at one time, oral sex, anal sex, homosexual practices, were all considered illegal. These were at one time considered 'governmental truths', and everyone believed it to be true, just because the state, or feds, said so.

So please, do not accuse me of lying, or posting things that are not true. I always check my facts. Feel free to check the case law I have provided, and I do have a lot more. Because in this particular case, TRUTH is a matter of opinion.

That opinion being does a state have the right to turn a right into the current privilege that state claims it is. I say NO!!

Now, with all of that said, I am NOT arguing that the state and feds have not TURNED the right of being able to drive on public roads into a 'privilege'.

The point I argue, is

(1) if you look at case law (that I posted in the original) you will notice that the government does NOT have the RIGHT to change a right into a governmental 'privilege'. By the token alone, driving in and of itself, is not a privilege, but a right. And many, many, many judges, state and federal agree with that it IS a RIGHT.

(2) If the government, state or fed does not have the Constitutional Right to change an American Citizens RIGHTS to some sort of a Privilege granted by the government, then to my way of thinking, it is STILL a right.

The states, and to a lessor extent, the feds, took the 'privilege' to do business on the roadways (for example, driving a semi truck), and by manipulation, conning, intimidation, and outright lying took measures not authorized by the Constitution and extended it to make driving for 'non-business' also a privilege.

Again, feel free to look up the case laws I have listed, for yourself. If you would like more case law, just email me.

Now with all that said, does the state and feds still insist driving on the public roads is a privilege? Sure they do.

But just because they SAY and make most people believe and choose to accept the governments 'claim' it is a 'privilege' does not necessarily MAKE it a privilege.

Because as long as We The People allow our government to dictate to us what is a 'privilege' and what is a 'right', We The People will soon find we have NO more RIGHTS in this country, except what some 'kind and benevolent government' sees fit to allow us to have. (Please note the sarcasm)

The government took it upon itself to change a right into privilege. And if we ain't careful, we will soon find the entire Constitution being interpreted by the government as our Rights are all actually Privileges granted to us by the government, and NOT by our Creator.

Semper Fi
Tattoo Gypsy
http://tattoo-gypsy.blogspot.com

Hey Gypsy

Im glad to see you are reading my stuff. The case you are citing has nothing to do with what I was commenting on. Driving a vehicle on a public roadway, is dependant on you being licensed by the state to operate on those roadways. If you will flip your DL over you will see in fine print that the state retains all property rights to your DL. Under law, once the state revokes your "Priviledge" you no longer may operate your vehicle on those roadways. If it was a right as you are trying to say the state cannot revoke "rights" only priviledges granted by the state. Go out there WITHOUT a valid DL and once you get caught you will be summarily fined or jailed because your "Priviledge" was under a state of revocation. You cannot be jailed or fined for "rights" as they cannot be revoked.(yet) I read and enjoy your posts so keep them coming but on this one you are in error. Call up FL Dept. of Highway Safety and ask them if driving is a right or priveledge. You won't like the answer. You are absolutely right in that the state may not revoke your right to travel anywhere but to do it by vehicle on public roadways you must have the "priviledge" granted to you by the state in the DL or enjoy your walk, bus ride, train, bicycle or any form or transpot in which you aren't driving on those roadways or required to be licensed.

Well rottweiler I doubt seriously if any judge would accept that. Just as the sate and fed government do not want to accept they have trampled all over our RIGHTS.

Mark my words, there is going to come a point in time, when WE THE PEOPLE are gonna have to take back our government and our country. And in order to do that, it is going HAVE to be ALL of We The People standing together, against our 'government. Or damn near all anyway. Because the next REVOLUTION I fear is gonna be a lot more bloody than the 1776 or the 1860 ones ever tought about being.

I really and truly hope it never comes to that. But the way it looks, I'm not so sure any more.

Semper Fi
Tattoo Gypsy

That's right! Having a drivers license is a privilege but driving, walking, riding on any public roads is our right and our ownership. The people paid for all roadways, however, county, state, and federal government claims all roads as theirs. Nothing really different because everything to them is their's including us (the people)! Well now we have a bigger moron in office that plans to make sure the people has nothing and his government has everything! I wouldn't even doubt if all these chain reactions with the economy wasn't already thought through in order to make things easier to gets more up for grabs! I don't put nothing past our government.